Antidepressants and talk radio

November 6, 2009 at 3:06 pm (Uncategorized)

Guess who started antidepressants yesterday? Me! I did! And they’re FREE because the doctor I saw has apparently a limitless supply of free samples. So I have a followup appointment in four weeks. I have mixed feelings about the appointment itself, because I really thought he was going to question me more about my symptoms–it all happened very fast. Well, no matter.

So my dad’s work schedule and my class schedule sometimes coincide such that he can drive me to campus, which I appreciate. He usually listens to the same talk-radio station, which I’ve only just begun to really listen to as we drive.

Today the subject was this news item, concerning a man who has been charged with a felony count of putting foreign objects in edible substances. He and his wife were arguing, you see, and he wanted her to calm down, so he put half of an anti-depressant in her tea. Now the woman found out because she gave her three year old son a sip of the tea, and he spit out the white (probably mostly dissolved) substance.

As it happens, the anti-depressant he used is the one I’ve been given, Lexapro. I can already testify that when partly dissolved it tastes pretty nasty. So lucky break, I guess–one half-dose of anti-depressants wouldn’t have an effect on the woman, but I dunno if it would fuck with a three year old’s body.

Now, you or I might speculate that for a woman to press charges against her husband and the father of her children, she has to be quite upset with him. Therefore we should 1) presume that this was a really scary or upsetting experience for her, and 2) acknowledge the likelihood that this is not the only disturbing, upsetting, controlling, or frightening thing her husband has done.

But at least one of these radio hosts, and the callers, wers less inclined to that view. Oh yes. One of the radio hosts did indeed say that it was not okay to drug someone without their consent, but I also got to hear people talking about how it’s okay to drug someone if you mean well by it. I also heard that it was okay to do if he wanted to watch the Superbowl and she wouldn’t calm down. I also heard that it was okay because it was just such a tiny little pill. I also heard that it was okay to do if he just really wanted her to stop fighting and relax.

I will note that one woman called in to say that she thought the whole discussion was outrageous and they were only entertaining the notion the man’s actions were acceptable, because they themselves were men.

And then! Oh no, they weren’t done yet. One caller took the opportunity to discuss her very special views on anti-depressants themselves. Yes, doctors will simply prescribe medication as a cure-all, she said. Taking anti-depressants, she said, is like taking diet pills when you “haven’t even tried” to lose weight through diet and exercise. Yeah, she went there. Now remember that I’m sitting next to my dad, who is himself a little iffy on my medication. Well, one of the radio hosts (actually the one who had said drugging someone else without their consent is Bad) agreed, and said that *he* was depressed sometimes–yes, depressed enough to get those pills if he wanted to–but, well, he tried them for a week and then gave them up and that was that. To which the radio host who thought it was okay for a man to drug his wife if he really wanted to watch the SuperBowl said, well, if you have a doctor who will prescribe anti-depressants without actually determining if that’s what you want or need, that’s a bad doctor, that’s not a standard doctor. To which there wasn’t much of an answer.

Sheesh. One day I’m on these pills and already I get the humiliating experience of listening to someone question my choice to take meds, in front of a family member who could really stand not to hear that shit.

16 Comments

  1. Quercki said,

    Sheesh, indeed! I think you are right about the anti- woman factor in this radio discussion.

    Mental illness treatment has a looonnnng way to go to be stigma-free, and that’s certainly an additional barrier to getting the treatment one needs. It’s good that the doctor can determine what works for you with free samples. A friend of mine needed $400/month for her medications just to function.

    BTW, inedible means not-edible. Typo?

    • quixotess said,

      Oopsie! Will edit that.

  2. kaninchenzero said,

    I hate that attitude about psychiatric meds and it is really, really common. Makes me wonder if these same people go around telling people who use wheelchairs they just haven’t tried hard enough to walk. Probably. Assholes.

    Antidepressants — selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors and serotonin/norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors, at least — take at least four to six weeks to take effect. They won’t make you happy. They won’t make you relax. The first one (or three) you try may not even help with your depression. But they do work to make the lows not so deep and not last so long, when you find one that works for you. (In younger people SSRIs and SNRIs can induce hypomanic and manic symptoms, suicidal and/or self-harming thoughts and behaviors. They are, after all, meant to affect your mind and mood. The effects aren’t always those intended.) For however long it works for you. Sometimes they don’t work so well after a while and you have to try another.

    • quixotess said,

      I really appreciate this bit of antidepressants 101, because to be honest both my counselor and my doctor seemed to assume I was fairly up on them; for example, they both told me I could choose not to take them, but they never really said why I would want to decline. It’s like if a school cafeteria menu included the clause “You don’t have to eat the rice!” on all its chicken teriyaki meals. Makes you wonder if you’re not wholly informed.

      • kaninchenzero said,

        Oh good, I wasn’t sure if this was information you had already and I was going to come off as condescending. I’m not a professional; I’ve just taken a whole lot of psych meds and experienced their intended and unintended effects. Antianxiety meds are fun; they’re drunk in a pill form (for me) and no hangover. I get really cranky about antipsychotics — most of their unintended effects are really unpleasant. Did you know that Abilify crap that’s being advertised all over TV as though it were a mood stabilizer is an antipsychotic? With the usual mess of unpleasant side effects including pseudo-Parkinson’s tremors that can become permanent? I did not until recently. Hate pharma advertising.

      • quixotess said,

        I don’t watch TV. Well, not on a television set anyway. So not familiar with the ads. But uh yes, that sounds notably evil.

    • Shiyiya said,

      In younger people SSRIs and SNRIs can induce hypomanic and manic symptoms

      IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF SOMEONE HAD TOLD ME THAT BEFORE THEY PUT ME ON PROZAC THAT MADE ME MANIC FOR THREE DAYS BEFORE I STOPPED TAKING IT. Also if they hadn’t kept telling me that there was no way it could have affected me so soon after taking it there’s no way it could do anything for two weeks! WELL IT DID.

      Grr. Sorry, I’m still sore about that :P

      • kaninchenzero said,

        Anger is entirely valid. There’s a good deal of bad information out there about psych meds, and physicians and psychiatrists are sometimes not real helpful sources themselves. No one told me about those unintended effects until much after I’d been taking an assortment of SSRIs for a while either and had to deal with the manic/hypomanic effects. Paternalistic shitheads. We don’t need to know, we’re just the fuckin’ patients, right?

      • pocochina said,

        Ugh. I’ve had at least one rotten reaction that I hadn’t been warned about to…..hmmmm, 2/3 of the psych meds I’ve been prescribed? Funny, though, they always warned me about…dun dun DUN! weight gain! Because a little lady would be way more worried about that than losing her emotions or intelligence, amirite?

    • Jayn said,

      This is where my WTF moment came in (well, one of them anyways). I always thought it was fairly common knowledge that these sorts of medications take a while to really kick in (and if it was his, he should KNOW THAT). Half a pill isn’t going to do anything noticeable. The more pressing issue is that he would even consider doing something of the sort in the first place.

    • brilliantmindbrokenbody said,

      Um, fwiw…it takes 4-6 weeks to take FULL effect. Depending on a person’s individual sensitivity to medications, the time when it starts taking some effect may be much sooner.

      In me, it takes 6-14 days.

  3. Li said,

    Echoing what kaninchenzero said. Worst use of anti-d’s in a long time. Also, people like to forget the side effects and just imagine happy pills.

    What gets me about this most (yeah, big lie, the lack of consent is the giant flashy death sign) is the idea that depression is exactly the same as sadness (yep, cos mental illness doesn’t count unless it’s intelligible to the able-minded) and that you can just slip someone an anti-d cos IT’S TOTES LIKE AN E.

    Also, on the Lexapro subject, it’s actually pretty good for the side effects in most people (had this convo earlier tonight with a friend who just started on them) except that it likes to cause hyperrealistic dreams. Which for me was actually totally great for processing. Good luck with the head-crip and the avoiding the fuckbuttons.

  4. pocochina said,

    …so slipping someone a mind-altering and potentially dangerous substance against her will is okay, but the informed choice made with the help of a medical professional to take an anti-depressant means weakness and moral reprehensibility? The number of people out there who are objectively pro-misery astounds me.

    I’m sorry you had to hear it in front of your dad, too. I never mentioned the anti-Ds to my parents because I was so afraid of the reaction.

    (here via FWD/Forward)

  5. number eight said,

    Wow! What a horrible story, about the involuntary drugging and people finding justifications for it! I’m sorry you had to listen through that, sitting next to your father.

    (sorry, my comments are all over the place here, I just got stuck reading – your blog’s really great!)

    … so I have been depressive for some time, couldn’t even exactly say when it began, years ago, started therapy last year – and now it turns out I have had thyroid dysfunction for years, at the very least. I’ll start medical treatment, which in some way is like taking antidepressant medication, but not. I’m really glad I found this out, but I still feel insecure about it. Anyway, my mother really didn’t take all of this well at all, making everything a lot harder for me. So I really hope your father will get around to understand why it’s important for you.

    • quixotess said,

      I’m appreciating your comments (and I’ll check out your music suggestions soon enough!) : ) Thanks for the kind words!

  6. Year the first « Reconcile said,

    [...] Antidepressants and Talk Radio, written right after I started on Lexapro. Today the subject was this news item, concerning a man who has been charged with a felony count of putting foreign objects in edible substances. He and his wife were arguing, you see, and he wanted her to calm down, so he put half of an anti-depressant in her tea. Now the woman found out because she gave her three year old son a sip of the tea, and he spit out the white (probably mostly dissolved) substance. [...]

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